Member Since: 22 Oct 2011
Location: Cheshire
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Hy folks, I had the same problem with a Jeep Grand Cherokee 2.7 Diesel, the back prison melted and it costume in excess of £5k to repair, 2k after being repaired the same thing happened again, upon investigating the root cause of the problem it turned out to be a blocked radiator that was not supplying enough coolant to the rear of the engine, once it was fixed it ran ok, sold it last Nov and got Disco 3
There was no signs of overheating or losing oil everything appeared normal until it stopped when towing a caravan up a fairly steep hill
Mike
7th Jun 2012 12:20 pm
B16 KJR
Member Since: 10 Jul 2006
Location: Rosyth, Fife
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Quote:
running on the prescribed 0W30 fully synthetic oil
I take it that is the recommended oil spec for South Africa ?
7th Jun 2012 12:36 pm
hgbosch
Member Since: 25 Oct 2010
Location: Pretoria and Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 188
0W30 or 5W30 can be used here in SA.EX AFRICA SEMPER ALIQUID NOVI
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2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
2003 Range Rover Td6
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi (sold)
And some more serious stuff
7th Jun 2012 12:44 pm
hgbosch
Member Since: 25 Oct 2010
Location: Pretoria and Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 188
Mee4 wrote:
Hy folks, I had the same problem with a Jeep Grand Cherokee 2.7 Diesel, the back prison melted and it costume in excess of £5k to repair, 2k after being repaired the same thing happened again, upon investigating the root cause of the problem it turned out to be a blocked radiator that was not supplying enough coolant to the rear of the engine, once it was fixed it ran ok, sold it last Nov and got Disco 3
There was no signs of overheating or losing oil everything appeared normal until it stopped when towing a caravan up a fairly steep hill
Mike
Hi Mike
the C270 cdi is a 5cyl inline engine, whereas the TDV6 is a V6. We will definitely investigate this angle as well.
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2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
2003 Range Rover Td6
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi (sold)
And some more serious stuff
7th Jun 2012 12:45 pm
seank
Member Since: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 24
A Google search turned up this report from a D3 owner in Australia.
Cheers
SeanD3 TDV6 S - Silver
TT Remap
Bilstein Shocks
FrontRunner Roof Rack
National Luna Dual Charging System
Big Country Rear Wheel Carrier
Big Country Drawer System
BFG AT's
Long Range Fuel Tank
7th Jun 2012 8:39 pm
D4JWW
Member Since: 20 Oct 2009
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1318
George nice colour you got there glad she running smooth, well you have the D1 as support/ backup Is the failed engine D3 with Landyworx? Keep us posted!A few mods... and keeping it all running...Faultmate MSV2
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7th Jun 2012 8:57 pm
CUCO
Member Since: 27 May 2011
Location: Spain & Oleee!!!
Posts: 609
I know that in US, many trucks suffer water passages blockages at the oil-water exchanger, now i'm on a mobile phone and i can't search properly, but i saw the day i find them the horror pictures. The results was very similar to the GC owner, and maybe (I repite: maybe, i don't want to afirm or confirm anything) like Discos failures.
Could it be coolant dirt related? Anyone had opened a disco oilwater exchanger at anytime to see if the water passages are blocked? Anyone a radiator? Was it clean?
In the past, with old coolant fluid, dirt and blockages and radiators cleaning was a typical scenario, wit the ultra long life castrol sf or havoline xlc could this be the same but diminished?
7th Jun 2012 11:03 pm
CUCO
Member Since: 27 May 2011
Location: Spain & Oleee!!!
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The owners manual have this range of engine oil viscosity? Could you please post a picture or write the oil specs it prescribe? Something like wss m2c....or acea....or api.....and the normal and severe use change interval.
Provides SA is all year round hot climate i dont understand the 0W30 (the 5W30:yes) but maybe LR is covering his back because of the excess of sludge formation because of high sulfur diesels of SA..
hgbosch wrote:
B16 KJR wrote:
Quote:
running on the prescribed 0W30 fully synthetic oil
I take it that is the recommended oil spec for South Africa ?
Hi
0W30 or 5W30 can be used here in SA.
7th Jun 2012 11:11 pm
hgbosch
Member Since: 25 Oct 2010
Location: Pretoria and Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 188
1, Yes you are correct, the SA Diesel (even the 50ppm) is cr#p
2. Exceeding 10'000km oil service intervals amounts to russian roulette, you just never know when it will hit you. At least with russian roulette you got a one in six chance
There is a partial fix for the above issues, and that is mixing 2sO into the diesel. This leads to a more complete combustion, much quieter running and less sulphuric acid build up in the sump.
On the D3 most of the users here adhere to 200ml JASO-FC compliant 2sO per tank.EX AFRICA SEMPER ALIQUID NOVI
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2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
2003 Range Rover Td6
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi (sold)
And some more serious stuff
8th Jun 2012 7:02 am
Frans@yamorna
Member Since: 20 Jan 2010
Location: Tzaneen
Posts: 109
Hi George,
200ml 2T per tank can not be correct??If working on 1:200 ratio it should at least read 400ml/tank!! That is what I put in
FransBig Country RR,NL Split Charge,FR Sump Guard,TP Monitor,BAS map
9th Jun 2012 9:52 am
B16 KJR
Member Since: 10 Jul 2006
Location: Rosyth, Fife
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1:200 is the recommended dose
9th Jun 2012 10:36 am
hgbosch
Member Since: 25 Oct 2010
Location: Pretoria and Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 188
you are absolutely correct with the 1:200 ratio for Europe. In SA we have 50ppm (or 500ppm) diesel. I use in SA:
D3 with 50ppm diesel 200ml per tank
D1 with 50ppm diesel 500ml per tank
D1 with 500ppm diesel 200ml per tank
I found this to be the most cost effective means.
Using 400ml per D3 tank will not cause any problems whatsoever. When I first start treating a "new" diesel aquisition, I start with 1lit per tank for the first three tank fillings, thereafter I reduce to 500ml and then to 200ml.EX AFRICA SEMPER ALIQUID NOVI
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2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
2003 Range Rover Td6
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi (sold)
And some more serious stuff
9th Jun 2012 12:40 pm
Frans@yamorna
Member Since: 20 Jan 2010
Location: Tzaneen
Posts: 109
Hi George,
Why the lower rate in RSA to Europe,are our diesel(50ppm) a better quality than what is generally available in Europe???What ratio will you use in D3 when you have to use 500ppm??Why the difference between D1 & D3??Is the D1 more sensitive for the lack of sulphur in 50ppm and why??
Thanks,FransBig Country RR,NL Split Charge,FR Sump Guard,TP Monitor,BAS map
9th Jun 2012 8:04 pm
hgbosch
Member Since: 25 Oct 2010
Location: Pretoria and Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 188
Frans@yamorna wrote:
Hi George,
Why the lower rate in RSA to Europe,are our diesel(50ppm) a better quality than what is generally available in Europe???What ratio will you use in D3 when you have to use 500ppm??Why the difference between D1 & D3??Is the D1 more sensitive for the lack of sulphur in 50ppm and why??
Thanks,Frans
Hi Frans
I operate vehicles both in Europe (Switzerland) and in SA. As such I can comment on this topic from an informed basis.
In Europe Diesel is between 0ppm and 5ppm. As such it has between 10 - 50 times lower sulphur content than our 50ppm diesel.
That is why I use 200ml per D3 tank here in SA.
As far as the D1 300Tdi is concerned, that is based on the old Bosch VE44 mechanical diesel injection system with 2-stage injectors, 1st stage at 200 Bar and 2nd stage at 300 Bar.
When using 50ppm diesel, adding 500ml 2sO actually results in an increase in performance. This has mainly to do with the fact that there is no electronical diesel injection control.
Here is a picture of my 300Tdi's glow plugs which were removed last year, after having been in there since 1998 and some 240'000+ km.
This picture very clearly illustrates, why 2sO works so well in controlling carbon deposits.
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2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
2003 Range Rover Td6
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi (sold)
And some more serious stuff
9th Jun 2012 9:08 pm
Frans@yamorna
Member Since: 20 Jan 2010
Location: Tzaneen
Posts: 109
George,so with 500ppm it seems that carbon is a bigger problem than lube.As I have to use 500ppm from time to time in my D3 and FL2 TD4,what ratio of 2T would you suggest??I have been using at a ratio of 1:200 irrespective of diesel quality.
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