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robbo770 wrote:
So what does this mean to owners or cars with 106,000 on the clock?, does LR now if servicing evidence is present inline with OEM guidance have to take a failure of an engine as warranty due to the design weakness now being confirmed an issue?
Looking for an official LR response to this one please. (as is everyone else!)
Whether or not your shells will have rotated when the crank was positioned is a complete lottery and the odds are small tbh ...there were some changes to the crank assembly which will have reduced the chances of this but there is a small chance ...if you have got this far then in the main I would say it's unlikely ..LR are not going to know how many may be affected but if you are an unlucky one then you should make a claim on the basis of the above I would say 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
11th May 2014 9:06 am
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Just noticed this applies to both the 2.7l and 3.0l lumps as it includes the D4, new FFRR and Snort.
11th May 2014 9:13 am
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Get a grip del 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
11th May 2014 9:23 am
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It was a eureka moment. Good to see "plus c'est change, plus sez le meme chose" still applies.
11th May 2014 9:26 am
hgbosch
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Torques from the engine manufacturer for the brave and lucky people who have access to parts.
Are there any here?
Hi Cuco
thanks I have got that manual. the problem here in SA is the fact, that a set of main and big end bearing shells cost more than reconditioned 300Tdi engine.
So that is our main problem. there are some developments taking place locally using tabbed bearings from Nissan Diesel engines which are machined to size, and the conrods are also machined to accommodate the tabs. Piston rings from the VW 1.9Tdi are being used.EX AFRICA SEMPER ALIQUID NOVI
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13th May 2014 9:23 am
hgbosch
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DG wrote:
robbo770 wrote:
So what does this mean to owners or cars with 106,000 on the clock?, does LR now if servicing evidence is present inline with OEM guidance have to take a failure of an engine as warranty due to the design weakness now being confirmed an issue?
Looking for an official LR response to this one please. (as is everyone else!)
Whether or not your shells will have rotated when the crank was positioned is a complete lottery and the odds are small tbh ...there were some changes to the crank assembly which will have reduced the chances of this but there is a small chance ...if you have got this far then in the main I would say it's unlikely ..LR are not going to know how many may be affected but if you are an unlucky one then you should make a claim on the basis of the above I would say
Hi DG
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13th May 2014 9:25 am
Q86ARR
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Essentially if you have a TDV6 engine failure and have a good service history Land Rover will cover the cost of the replacement engine
25th May 2014 12:09 am
mohnwalk
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Are there any updates on this one from UK? There might be a newer post, but I havent found one..
There are several issues from Norway now with engine failures. And related to the bearings. Many cases 2007 models, dunno why. But common for many failures is that they appear around 300 000km. All information indicates that the engines have been well cared for. Moat people change oil on 10-12 000km (LR recommends 24 000km).
I am afraid we are going to see alot more of these failures from now on when these engines get some km/miles on them.
Are there any specialists in UK that have a good fix for these failures as mentioned here?
25th Jul 2015 8:36 pm
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Q86ARR wrote:
Essentially if you have a TDV6 engine failure and have a good service history Land Rover will cover the cost of the replacement engine
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mohnwalk wrote:
Are there any updates on this one from UK? There might be a newer post, but I havent found one..
There are several issues from Norway now with engine failures. And related to the bearings. Many cases 2007 models, dunno why. But common for many failures is that they appear around 300 000km. All information indicates that the engines have been well cared for. Moat people change oil on 10-12 000km (LR recommends 24 000km).
I am afraid we are going to see alot more of these failures from now on when these engines get some km/miles on them.
Are there any specialists in UK that have a good fix for these failures as mentioned here?
Bearings are now available for the TDV6. It would seem prudent to replace them before they fail to support the crank correctly. It appears that if one bearing clearance increases more than the rest, crank failure isn't far off. Modern cranks don't like bending loads placed on them for to long. Old cast iron cranks never failed in this situation.Freelander SE 2005 Auto.
D3 TDV6. Gone.
25th Jul 2015 9:21 pm
mohnwalk
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Any partnumber for these, or pushers?
Anyone here who have changed their bearings before blown engine?
How many hours at garage are we talking about here? And who does this job properly?
Would you change the crank also to a stronger one? Other parts?
26th Jul 2015 1:01 am
mohnwalk
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I see NWS Motor Service delivers new bearings for the tdv6 engine.
Anyone of you consider to change bearings for preventive maintenance? Given that the tdv6 engine eventually will fail?
How many tdv6 engines does this forum know of that have passed far over 350 000km?
26th Jul 2015 7:18 pm
Nodge68
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mohnwalk wrote:
Any partnumber for these, or pushers?
Anyone here who have changed their bearings before blown engine?
How many hours at garage are we talking about here? And who does this job properly?
Would you change the crank also to a stronger one? Other parts?
On old Triumph and Hillman engines, the bearings could be changed in under a weekend at home by acompertent DIY mechanic. A D3 is a totally different animal. The engine removal is long winded with lots of stripping down required. I can't imagine that the bearings are that difficult to do themselves, but there's lots of other components to change at the same time. There's no point in doing half a job, so an engine rebuild is going to be a costly affair. I would only trust myself as I don't think anyone is really a specialist with the Lion V6.Freelander SE 2005 Auto.
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26th Jul 2015 8:45 pm
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mohnwalk wrote:
I see NWS Motor Service delivers new bearings for the tdv6 engine.
Anyone of you consider to change bearings for preventive maintenance? Given that the tdv6 engine eventually will fail?
How many tdv6 engines does this forum know of that have passed far over 350 000km?
I hope my V6 last more than 300,000 Km as I'm on 278,000 Km (174K Miles) now, assuming the engine is original. Not sure how I'd check that For the moment, mine isn't showing any signs of impending failure. Although now I've said that, it's going to go bang sooner rather than later Freelander SE 2005 Auto.
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26th Jul 2015 8:52 pm
mohnwalk
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Well, now that this is a designfault on the tdv6, this will eventually hit all the tdv6 if the bearings doesnt get changed to the new ones. This eliminate the problem, but as mentioned, its fairly complicated to strip down the engine, lots of bits and bytes needs disabling. Not to mention the small rooms to operate in = more strip down.
So the bearing itself is a small cost, but for a garage to do this job, I recon its cheaper to run the existing engine to shreds and then buy a refurbished engine to replace after. Brutal, I know, but what are the alternatives?
Would be interesting to know how many engines in UK have passed 300 000km.
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Good to see "plus c'est change, plus sez le meme chose" still applies. 
For the moment, mine isn't showing any signs of impending failure. Although now I've said that, it's going to go bang sooner rather than later 
