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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
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VOSA vehicle safety defect report form:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/repository/veh...report.doc
I have had enough. Last night I found myself stuck in the middle of the M25 in fog with a seized EPB. Manual release failed and had to use brute force in Low Range to get on to the hard shoulder and then onto (and off of) the recovery vehicle. Car was fixed today, but LR Warranty refused to pay (15 months old, 31,000 miles, fully serviced). Won't go into the details, other than to say I'm indebted to Guy Salmon Maidstone and Yeovil Land Rover for their efforts on my behalf. 
Can I urge EVERYONE who has had an EPB failure to complete this form and send it to vsb@vosa.gov.uk
I am determined that LR should acknowledge the inherent weakness of this design and that they should undertake a programme of redesign, recall and fitment. Cost to LR? Frankly I don't care. I do not appreciate being treated like a tw@t after spending the best part of 6 figures with them in the last 3 years and I can't stand by and wait for someone to be hurt or killed because of this ludicrous situation.
I'll be submitting a request to VOSA under the Freedom of Information Act to see how many reports, if any, have been submitted and what tests, if any, they may have undertaken so far.
Your help in this campaign is appreciated.
Alan I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
Last edited by NoDo$h on 3rd Nov 2009 10:33 pm. Edited 1 time in total
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 29th Oct 2009 11:39 pm |
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Gaza
Member Since: 08 Jan 2009
Location: At the foot of the Lammermuirs
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Good call. Fortunatley I have never had an EPB problem but there is still time. 
I'm curious as to the circumstances. Did you engage the EPB or did it engage itself?
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| 30th Oct 2009 12:31 am |
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NoDo$h
Member Since: 02 May 2006
Location: Finding new and exciting ways to milk badgers.
Posts: 19689
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I engaged it. I was in stationary traffic and had been for a few minutes. I could see blue lights flashing in the distance behind me, fighting through the queues, so realised I might be there for a while. Popped it into P, kept footbrake on and applied EPB.
Took a few minutes to get tools out of boot to attempt release. After a couple more minutes traffic started moving so gave up and tried to drive off. In high range it wouldn't budge so went into low range rock crawl and forced it off on to the hard shoulder. I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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| 30th Oct 2009 12:37 am |
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DaveT
Member Since: 01 Aug 2005
Location: Cornwall
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I have experienced the 'pleasure' of EPB failure - ie binding / siezing on whilst travelling at 70mph.
it's not nice.
(08MY at 22k miles FSH, no significant off road use)
I've also had them stick 'on' when stationary, but never in a dangerous circumstance.
Given that my last problems were Apr 2008 (i think) would it still be valid to fill in one of these forms? Long succession of Disco's since 2001...
SIII Lightweight - neglected & rusting. Bulkhead, A panels, vent panel & outriggers now disintegrated - Next years project!
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| 30th Oct 2009 9:42 am |
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MacLeod 313
Member Since: 18 Apr 2008
Location: away
Posts: 10723
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Will do Al, having had my EPB module fail in April and lower mileage.
Can this thread be "Sticky'd" mods?, as it's certainly gonna keep cropping up
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| 30th Oct 2009 9:51 am |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
Posts: 3522
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I'd love to fill this in - but it won't be accepted as I'm not UK registered.
But if this gets further with LR and there is some sort of petition, report etc to complete then count me in. The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 30th Oct 2009 9:56 am |
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countrywide
Member Since: 16 Sep 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 6019
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I have had it twice, first time 2 months after getting the car which was fixed under warranty and the second time TFC sorted it for me.
Personally I would go the small claim court route as it will force LR to respond. If you have had the car serviced properly, that is the limit of your responsibility within the warranty period. If it fails despite following the LR service requirements, then it has a fault i.e it won't stay adjusted correctly between service intervals, As the service interval is both time and mileage there is no way to suggest it is adverse usage. You never take this one off road either.
Would be interesting to see how LR defend it and explain why it has failed.
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| 30th Oct 2009 10:17 am |
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andym
Member Since: 16 Jun 2005
Location: london
Posts: 211
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Nodosh go into the details ??!!
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| 30th Oct 2009 10:43 am |
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Roel
Member Since: 16 Aug 2008
Location: home
Posts: 1215
 
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Sorry I'm Dutch and have no problems yet to report. Driven 55000 km of which 40000 km in my hands. Only had 1 screamer yet. And goes off-road. I have to say I seldom use the EPB just to make sure it doesn't get stuck by not being used.
I use P(ark) always and didn't had a problem with that yet either.
Lucky me. Roel
1997 Camel Trophy Disco ex-P101JWK (traded it for a Britains 42101)
1984 90 TD5
2005 G4 Disco 3 BN55WPT
Also member of club MTR
and Club Faultmate
Interested in my 4x4 history see my website: www.mudmachine.webklik.nl
Sorry it's in Dutch and with google translator it gets funny.
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| 30th Oct 2009 12:09 pm |
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ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: up that tree
Posts: 4866
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i'd be interested to know how many manual versus auto's have had issues,
seems alot of auto users dont use it regularly where as i think manual owners use it all the time..
wonder if it makes any difference if it's used alot... one wife.......livid
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| 30th Oct 2009 9:18 pm |
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ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: up that tree
Posts: 4866
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Quote:Can this thread be "Sticky'd" mods?, as it's certainly gonna keep cropping up
no pun intended there mac...
 one wife.......livid
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| 30th Oct 2009 9:31 pm |
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mzplcg
Member Since: 23 Jun 2009
Location: Gone
Posts: 1087
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Mine's been fine so far. Slightly O/T - sorry for that, but the Jag S Type has the same EPB and I presume they use the same controller etc. My wife's had 3 of these and never once a problem in 6 years. Why is the D3 implementation so bad? Something must be different.
To be honest, having read all the horrors here I rarely use it, mainly out of fear it'll jam up. That's not really the right answer to the problem though. Only time I ever use it is when parked on a hill. There again, in the Jag, the module looks identical yet when the ingition key is removed the EPB is automatically applied, something which the D3 doesn't do thankfully. :confused:
Perhaps also a FOI request to the warranty company for the numbers might help you also. This could be clouded by the ones which were repaired "quietly" by the dealers though.
But certainly the thing seems under-engineered.
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| 30th Oct 2009 9:48 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
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Al, sorry to hear this.
Surely, if the D3 is in warranty, the D3 has been serviced by LR qualified techs to LR spec / procedure, then fails, its covered under warranty ??
Unless LR prove the adjustments have been done incorrectly by the dealer, then they should pony up the cost ???
Mine after 53K miles has never been an issue (manual so used a lot). My last D3 has a screamer, but once fixed under warranty, it never caused an issue again.
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| 30th Oct 2009 10:06 pm |
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ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 15214
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NoDo$h wrote: Popped it into P, kept footbrake on and applied EPB.
Al [obviously in hindsight] if you had it in P, you didn't need to use the EPB.
Because of EPB issues I never use it!
Short stops - in D, foot on brake pedal.
Long stops - into P, then D [& footbrake] when things start moving. I was a normal heterosexual chap, but in these new woke awakenings I now identify as a Wardrobe.
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| 30th Oct 2009 10:27 pm |
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