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Wiggs reminded me that technically, if the reverse camera feature works on a car that has no camera actually fitted, that when reverse is selected, it should still switch to the input and give either a black screen or snow without any composite video signal being present.
So i found a moment to enable the reverse cam on my D3 and tested it. All doors closed, engine running from all different screens and Nada
4X4 info was showing that the screen unit could see Reverse and in the video test screen i could see that the Reverse cam was showing as fitted but still nothing.
But then i am guessing that this would be where most everyone with an MSV-2 has got to.
Then the other day i was going through one of the other diag screens and came across this
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It seems that the Screen unit can detect a missing video input and the same happens when i enable the TV and the companion (Venture Cam), except the text shows the appropriate text for them.
Of course this gave me renewed hope, that the problem is indeed as we are all trying to prove that the function will only work when a Camera is actually connected.
So, having now got renewed interest, i managed to find a suitable camera and Jerry rigged it up with the appropriate connector, I plugged it in my bench test jig first and checked the signal was showing using the diag screen and indeed the fault i pictured above now disappeared.
After work, i pulled the screen out of my D3 and plugged the camera in, checked the picture was there and that the fault was gone. Yep all good, so shut all the doors, start her up and select reverse.
And guess what guys,
Absolutely Sweet Feck all.
We know the hardware is there and it works, by using the diag test, and we know the screen unit reads and uses the CCF setting because it comes up saying it is fitted.
So either we are still missing something or that the reverse camera functionality is missing or disabled in the software of these screen units.
I am going to look into the L322 wiring diagrams for the reverse cam to see if there is any clue in there, and then the only other thing i can think is to try different software versions.
4th Feb 2010 7:38 pm
wiggs
Member Since: 03 Sep 2006
Location: Manchester
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Yes indeed it does bring up the fault without the camara connected
Just tested it .
Back to the drawing board .G4 Gone ...but not forgotten
I got the camera this past week. It was a fairly easy install the hardest part was getting the wires through the rubber boot between the tailgate and body. I still need to tidy up some of the wires. I'll try and get some night shots tonight.
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7th Feb 2010 4:22 am
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Guys
I have drawn a blank here.
i checked the software, hoping that the FFRR which uses this has it has its own SW but i find it uses the very same SW as the D3
I have swapped in various version of HW along with their SW but nothing seems to work.
I checked the GTR for wiring or the FFRR but cant find anything beyond a reference to the composite Rev cam being connected
I am open to any ideas or suggestions
7th Feb 2010 9:01 pm
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been watching this with interest, but after all you have done so far,and no one has mentioned it, what does the "video sync external" button do now that everything is enabled and with no video errors ???
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16th Feb 2010 3:33 pm
discoBizz
Member Since: 20 Sep 2008
Location: Manchester
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Adrian/Colin, did you get anywhere with this?
I don't know if it helps, but my dealer's pleasant (not) IDS expert mentioned to me on Wednesday that "in order to get it working, you would have to change the entire software of the gearbox and NAV unit" and "with both the companion camera and reversing camera, even if the software is enabled the car will look for the hardware (companion dock or [whatever hardware the reversing camera is using on the RR I assume?]) hence it still wouldn't work without OEM hardware", or something along these lines...
Clearly, it's a case of "can't be done" or "it will cost £££££ to do", just thought the gearbox software mention might give you a clue?
Keep us posted if you get somewhere with it
26th Mar 2010 10:48 am
IanNP
Member Since: 17 Aug 2009
Location: Lancashire, Chorley ..ish
Posts: 204
Biz wrote:
Adrian/Colin, did you get anywhere with this?
I don't know if it helps, but my dealer's pleasant (not) IDS expert mentioned to me on Wednesday that "in order to get it working, you would have to change the entire software of the gearbox and NAV unit" and "with both the companion camera and reversing camera, even if the software is enabled the car will look for the hardware (companion dock or [whatever hardware the reversing camera is using on the RR I assume?]) hence it still wouldn't work without OEM hardware", or something along these lines...
Clearly, it's a case of "can't be done" or "it will cost £££££ to do", just thought the gearbox software mention might give you a clue?
Keep us posted if you get somewhere with it
The IDS expert is completely incorrect!
It is 100% down to which firmware/software is running in the display and the features being enabled in the CCF.
Land Rover dealers are unable to do this as the feature(s) where never an option on the Disco3 - the IDS won't allow it.
Ian..so what can I fiddle with today that ain't broken ...?
26th Mar 2010 12:28 pm
discoBizz
Member Since: 20 Sep 2008
Location: Manchester
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Not surprised Ian, just relaying the conversation in case something he mentioned might help our own experts progress with this... Way beyond my current knowledge anyway
26th Mar 2010 1:07 pm
mattdaniels
Member Since: 23 May 2010
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 85
Hi guys is there any update on this? It's something I would be very interested in.
25th Jun 2010 7:00 am
IanNP
Member Since: 17 Aug 2009
Location: Lancashire, Chorley ..ish
Posts: 204
mattdaniels wrote:
Hi guys is there any update on this? It's something I would be very interested in.
Yes we can get the rear view camera input to work 100% on the disco3 display when putting the disco3 into reverse gear.
The input is NTSC (not PAL - it can't be switched as in the diag mode).
It is not a straight forward job, the software is not available in the standard disco3 display mode (enable rev camera etc) and as such it is still a 'work in progress'.
Ian..so what can I fiddle with today that ain't broken ...?
27th Jun 2010 9:41 pm
IanNP
Member Since: 17 Aug 2009
Location: Lancashire, Chorley ..ish
Posts: 204
This thread is more up-to-date on the rear/reverse camera..
Ian..so what can I fiddle with today that ain't broken ...?
27th Jun 2010 9:51 pm
sdxn1
Member Since: 07 Jun 2010
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Posts: 3
I have just installed a tailgate camera and a GVIF unit - both supplied by HIDS4U (a site sponsor) - and am very pleased with the results. I confess to having had help running the wires from the tailgate camera through to the GVIF unit (which sits just next to the satnav unit under the passenger seat) - as other posts observe, the trickiest bit is feeding the wires through the rubber conduit between tailgate and main roof. However, no rocket science involved - simply gentle removal of trim... I have also added a digital wireless camera to the system - again, works very well through the satnav screen, and greatly aids rear visibility when towing the horse trailer.
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